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[00:00.000] 作曲 : Non Music Work[00:00.000]I think when we started recording thick, thick as a brick,[00:03.797]we didn't know how the end result would be a concept album or,[00:09.461]you know, whatever you're calling a concept. I think it was just started life as another Tull album[00:15.876]and and we learnt the music in the way that we learnt music for Aqualung benefit other albums,[00:22.232]but it developed along the way, mainly because we were splicing all the bits of music together to make it continuous.[00:30.889]We never, , I don't think we were ever aware of what direction it was going to end up going in.[00:36.743]It's just something we did on a day, day to day basis as we recorded it.[00:41.874]We rehearsed for about a month in Bermondsey,[00:45.678]wasn't it in Bermondsey?[00:47.934]And so, so some sections of the album I think mainly the first, I would guess first. Half of the album,[00:56.597]maybe as much as that was actually rehearsed at Bermondsey.[01:00.978]And do we ever record it and then go back to Bermondsey,[01:03.463]or do we just do it continuously from there onwards?[01:05.792]I just remember being in a basement, a very dank and dirty place, rehearsing.[01:09.736]It was disgusting.[01:11.108]I don't remember how it evolved.[01:13.493]In two sessions. Yeah, of course the memory is a bit vague,[01:17.277]but yeah, it was a dreadful rehearsal room. It was sort of miles from anywhere.[01:21.849]I remember I had to take Barry there. I think we took it in turns, but I remember driving more than Barry did,[01:28.949]and we were always on that dreadful South Circular and we always got there.[01:35.296]It's sort of office hours. So it was the worst traffic, the worst journey.[01:39.566]A big lorry driver swearing at you. And I was in my little MG and,[01:44.652]so by the time he got there, an hour and a half after leaving Putney,[01:48.300]you're in a foul mood. He then went down to this disgusting, smelly, dark, dirty basement.[01:55.448]Uh, even I remember sort of coffee cups. Everything was filthy.[01:59.563]It was just dreadful place and sort of shut ourselves away all day,[02:05.185]uh, learning music. So really, something good had to come out of it because it was just a dreadful place.[02:12.367]It probably came about primarily because the thing that we'd done the year before,[02:16.868]which was the Aqualung album, um, had generally been perceived as a concept album,[02:23.006]whereas to me it was just a bunch of songs, as I've always said.[02:25.973]And so the first thing about Thick as a Brick was, let's come up with something which is,[02:32.547]the mother of all concept albums, um,[02:36.578]and really is a mind boggling in terms of what was then relatively complex music and also lyrically was complex,[02:47.100]confusing, and above all, a bit of a spoof. It was quite deliberately,[02:54.814]but in a nice way, tongue in cheek and meant to send up.[02:58.789]Ourselves, the music critics and the audience, perhaps, but not necessarily in that order.[03:05.548]But it was meant in a nice way.[03:06.747]This was this was the period of time of Monty Python's Flying Circus and a very British kind of humour,[03:13.197]which, um, was not terribly well understood by the Japanese or the Americans.[03:17.701]When we finally went out to perform thick as a brick in concert.[03:20.368]But hey sat politely if, uh, if a little confused through the whole thing and came back next time for more.[03:27.782]So it can't have gone too far amiss. But indeed, it was a concept album,[03:31.404]and it was a concept album in the sense of beginning with the preposterous idea[03:36.283]that it was written lyrically anyway by a 12 year old boy called Gerald Bostock.[03:41.403]If memory serves. And, even now people will say,[03:46.001]well, Gerald Bostock must be now he must be getting on, for he must be into his 30s now.[03:51.402]And a lot of people still, believe it or not, think it was a real character.[03:54.699]I thought we steered a very good line between making it sound,[03:58.476]um, vaguely plausible as a, as a concept and being so, you know,[04:05.194]quite, um, quite silly to the extent that most people would get it[04:10.650]and not be offended if they weren't quite sure.[04:13.792]And somebody said, oh, come on, and just putting you on here.[04:16.526]I was thinking about it the other day,[04:18.105]and my biggest memory of learning it was going down to the cafe for lunch[04:23.250]it was a， do you remember Rosie's Cafe? It was.[04:28.307]And it was down the road in this place near Bermondsey.[04:31.906]And it was dreadful food. It was sort of pie, chips, mushy peas, pie and custard,[04:38.501]but it was served by this gross, huge woman who had a moustache[04:42.805]and a beard and whose hygiene was definitely questionable.[04:48.154]And her apron was spattered with blood and dirt and various other things.[04:54.002]And and it was. Always incredibly hot in there. Everybody smoked.[04:58.973]All the windows were steamed up. I can always picture being in that cafe.[05:03.906]There's a lot of rehearsals, but not a musical recollection at all.[05:07.489]Maybe rather foolishly, we had a finite period of time to record all of this.[05:11.366]I mean, to write, rehearse and record all of it.[05:14.049]And foolishly, I think we booked a rehearsal studio and the recording studio a couple of weeks later,[05:19.138]so everything just had to go to a timetable, and it would it would begin usually with me waking up in the morning,[05:25.359]in north London, having about maybe 2 or 3 hours to feverishly attempt to write some music,[05:34.921]by late morning, where I would jump in a cab or on the tube or whatever,[05:39.074]and rush down to the the Rolling Stones rehearsal studio in Bermondsey.[05:43.510]I think it was where, um, I then pretended that, you know, I'd been this was music I'd written weeks before and,[05:52.068]and we ran through it with, with the band and, you know,[05:55.071]they would put their ideas into it and their thoughts into it,[05:57.985]and we would develop that alongside the music we had rehearsed the day before and the day before that.[06:02.985]So it built up sequentially day by day. It started at the beginning, and every day we added another bit of music,[06:10.327]and sometimes it would maybe reprise one of the earlier ideas in some way.[06:13.902]So we'd go back and kind of rework an earlier thought[06:18.079]and . Basically by the end of, I think about two weeks,[06:24.811]we we had the whole thing rehearsed beginning to end,[06:28.920]in the way that we were actually going to record it, all the arrangements in place.[06:33.347]And off we went to the to the studio. And it was done ,[06:36.485]From memory，I think perhaps in about, you know, 8 to 10 days of recording,[06:41.234]which was really quite quick. But we did have it all rehearsed as a band,[06:45.182]so we all knew our parts. Theoretically.[06:47.917]I think that went very well. It was um, I mean, some of them were first takes,[06:53.049]quite a few of them,[06:54.581]Some sections to the beginning. I remember backing tracks going very well.[06:59.490]I think we tried to make it spontaneous that.[07:03.159]Sort of like a working day wasn't. We would arrive at sort of 11, 12:00[07:07.918]and then tune up and then that was it. There was no sort of messing about.[07:11.947]We were worked pretty hard. But as Jeffrey said, I think we got stuff on to tape fairly quickly.[07:19.304]And I think many days we didn't necessarily know what we were going to do next.[07:25.830]We might have done a section of music and then. Either. Ian would think about it overnight,，[07:31.640]what was going to happen next, or we would just work on an idea,[07:35.451]and then that would be the next bit of music, and we recorded it the next day and did a master.[07:41.530]It was all it was very live inasmuch that everything was put down,[07:46.351]obviously other than flute and vocals. so it was very much a spontaneous recording.[07:54.468]One night we worked so late trying to get something on tape,[07:58.219]and it was about 6:00 in the morning. And, and Ian said,[08:01.680]right, let's all get outside. We're going to go for a run.[08:06.266]And we just thought, what?[08:08.286]And because we were just so tired and we went outside Morgan Studios[08:12.740]and it sort of dawn just about getting light[08:15.935]and we sort of trotted about ten yards up the road and realised that's as far as we could run anyway.[08:21.052]came back in the studio and carried on.[08:24.498]It was decided pretty early on because we had,in Chrysalis Records back then.[08:31.103]I'm not sure whether he was an A&R man. He was relatively new to the scene.[08:34.296]He had been a journalist for sounds, a musical newspaper in the UK at the time.[08:40.181]Royston Aldridge, who later went on to be the managing director of Chrysalis Records[08:44.407]until relatively recently, and Roy having a background in the journalistic trade,[08:51.369]was given the job, whether he liked it or not, of putting together all of the the ideas[08:57.682]and the photographs for the newspaper into something that would resemble a really parochial little,[09:03.971]you know, small town newspaper such as the one I think he'd done his training on as a as a boy journalist.[09:11.389]So, Roy had to put it all together and edit it and check everything.[09:15.814]And and the ideas predominantly were mine.[09:21.034]Jeffrey Hammonds and John Evans, who had,[09:26.519]John， I'm pretty sure, wrote, you know, a couple of pieces for it,[09:29.143]but the rest of it was pretty much me and Jeffrey,[09:32.426]I think equally really with Roy tying it all together and,[09:38.026]putting everything into the column inches, that would make sense.[09:42.742]I just remember doing a lot of, recording into a dictaphone[09:48.383]or what it was then just a small tape recorder,[09:50.948]and then tapes got sent off to various secretaries of tape.[09:53.659]But most of it was giggling, I think,[09:56.076]and laughing at rather some of the more immature sections of it.[10:00.402]But it, it was I think everybody helped with that, didn't they?[10:04.951]I mean Jeffrey being understating.[10:10.606]No, Because I've been looking through and it's difficult to remember what one did.[10:16.014]Actually, I remember the photographs actually posing for, well, you know, going along, finding places ,[10:20.961]to pose for various photographs. And that was enjoyable.[10:27.011]I think we all had that sort of schoolboy sense of humour.[10:28.732]it was the album were all sort of pranksters and,[10:32.354]we were in a very sort of silly state of adult development and the humour of of those times went into the making of the cover,[10:43.456]but I really it was Ian and Jeffrey did the bulk of it,[10:47.829]and I think there was a few little token gesture things from, I think, John others.[10:51.793]I think John wrote quite a lengthy story.[10:53.096]That's right.He did. Yeah. About the——Aeroplanes.[10:55.959]That's right.[10:56.928]Oh no, it's called do not see me, rabbit.[10:58.146]Yes, of course it's called. Yeah.[11:00.858]As I recall, it took longer to write and complete the album cover artwork than it did to make the record.[11:10.257]Um, I only remember that we went out to do thick as a brick in live performance.[11:14.301]It began with following some rehearsals. It began with a,[11:19.203]as I recall, a pretty disastrous concert in one of those.[11:24.213]it was a town, I think we ever played it again.[11:26.075]Somewhere on the English and Welsh borders, I believe.[11:29.494]And it was it was a nightmare. I mean, we sort of just about managed to scrape through it.[11:35.130]And, uh, it was a very nerve wracking moment[11:37.816]because we then were going on to a major tour in the UK,[11:42.471]US and even to Japan and Australia doing that stuff.[11:48.229]And so it was a big, big commitment. It was a pretty scary opening night.[11:53.129]Well, I have a very vague memory and I might be wrong and Jeffrey might remember,[11:58.066]but I thought the first gig that we tried it out was Morven Wintergarden.[12:04.237]I think you are right.[12:05.483]Yeah, that's right, because we were.[12:06.714]Petrified about performing the thing live.[12:10.651]It was quite hard to play and a lot to remember.[12:14.551]There's lots of sort of odd bars and seven fours and six eights and I mean,[12:20.170]it's like a vast amount of stuff. And to play it off in one go was a terrifying thought.[12:27.178]So we tried exhilarating as well. it's quite exciting.[12:30.484]Oh yeah. Well, sheer terror, sheer adrenaline. Yeah. It's amazing what fear can do.[12:37.634]But yeah, we tried it and we played the whole thing in one go.[12:41.601]All I remember is me and Barry disappearing into a tent.[12:46.236]I don't remember that at all.[12:47.555]Yeah, there was a tent on stage and me and Barry disappeared into it.[12:51.107]And there'd be sort of, you know, poking about inside the tent that the audience could obviously see.[12:56.453]This is whilst somebody else is going on.[12:58.605]Well, I think things didn't last necessarily for very long.[13:01.684]I mean, that might have just happened for a couple of nights.[13:03.915]And then it was a rapidly changing process went on over the course of,[13:07.632]I mean, more than one tour, I think, you know, I mean, it sort of, but.[13:11.139]There are also set pieces[13:12.351]because there were things that stuck and were very good and kept.[13:16.971]The gorilla came out with a camera and took photographs of the audience.[13:20.383]Telephone ringing, the telephone.[13:22.022]Ringing. And Mike Nelson, uh, then phone right in the middle of the music.[13:27.204]The telephone would ring, obviously on tape over the PA.[13:30.354]Ian would stop the music in the most ridiculous place,[13:33.665]and it would be a phone call for Mike Nelson.[13:37.299]Oh, really? I don't remember that.[13:39.059]Even though it happened every night.[13:40.410]No audience. And then sort of[13:42.423]a couple of minutes later, this roadie who hated doing it because it had to wear this wetsuit,[13:47.607]an aqualung and face mask. So of course it'd be sort of 90 degrees in the gig anyway,[13:52.894]and he'd be sort of pouring buckets of sweat in this suit.[13:56.304]And unfortunately, he'd been volunteered to be Mike Nelson,[13:58.941]and he would just wander on the stage,[14:00.840]flippers and all and take the phone call.[14:04.120]It was just it was just silly.[14:05.796]Perhaps it was at that point, the beginning of[14:10.251], people getting away from going on stage and playing an hour of music in jeans and t shirts,[14:18.159]which had had tended to have been the way things were.[14:23.228]suddenly there was something that was a little more theatrical and organised and.[14:27.610]By the standards of a U2 concert or a Michael Jackson concert or a Madonna concert,[14:33.127]it would be incredibly tame theatrically.[14:35.745]But by the standards of back then, it must have it must have been,[14:39.389]you know, quite an unusual thing,[14:41.759]and quite a lot of effort would appear to have gone into a lot of detail,[14:45.460]would have communicated itself to the audience if they were in the right mood.[14:50.604]And again, it was perhaps. The mood of the times,[14:55.746]the beginnings of Monty Python's success in the USA, for example.[15:00.694]The Americans were just beginning to cotton onto this rather surreal[15:05.598]and absurd and quite often challenging humour.[15:10.795]And we're very open, very, very open to these sort of new ideas.[15:16.416]Alice Cooper at the time, you know, was chopping his head off in a guillotine on stage every night,[15:22.326]whereas my approach was a little more gentle with rather elegant tights and a netty codpiece.[15:28.377]John used to wear a rabbit suit, and he used to read the news out wearing this rabbit suit[15:35.213]and all these things that happened.[15:36.857]You had to go and change very quickly behind the Amps while something else was going on.[15:41.158]Maybe some of the-[15:42.083]It was all quite amateurish, even though...[15:43.614]Oh, yeah. He probably came across as a reasonably professional man.[15:47.553]Behind the scenes, it wasn't.[15:50.367]And John, because it was a very long set,[15:52.837]we probably played three or four hours.[15:54.799]And John liked to have a little can of beer now and again.[16:00.220]And he had to take a pee break during the show.[16:03.513]And he used to pee in an empty beer can at the back of the stage.[16:07.402]They're careful not to let the audience see.[16:09.880]And one night, because it was very dark backstage,[16:12.605]somebody had kicked the beer can over. Unfortunately,[16:16.660]it had gone into the rabbit suit's head.[16:20.175]And there's this terrible cry of anguish from behind the amps as John put his rabbit head on.[16:26.095]He got a little bit wet.